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Webmaster wrote:Steve is probably best to answer, but gasless has worked for me with everything that I have needed to do. The wire is more expensive, but probably not more than the rental of the gas bottles and gas for the limited amount of use on an annual basis. Different story if you using it every day, gas mig would be better value.
Thanks, I thought that may be the story, but wasn't sure.
Would be good for my needs, but most I've seen are dearer so far.
I'm still hunting,
still wary of cheap junk,
But will finish up with the best I can afford,
Which won't be the best.
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Gasless MIG means exactly that - no shielding gas. the wire is flux cored so it's the opposite of a normal welding rod - instead of the flux being on the outside (the grey/green powder) the flux is on the inside of the fine wire.

The wire is about 3 times the price of solid wire per roll at BOC prices, but if you go to Bunnings and buy the small rolls, the price is similar, but is also 10% lighter per roll (450g instead of 500g for instance) so it is expensive to weld with, but fine for small projects.

I ran Mig Gasless for years. Personally, I don't like it as the welds are dirty, the process is smoky like ARC and the finish isn't as smooth, but it it easy and convenient. I went to gas about 5 years ago and would never go back.

I keep a small roll of gasless wire in my draw in case I run out of gas and have to finish a job.

Cheap MIG's that are advertised as "gasless" do not have the provision to run gas through the welding torch so they are cheaper. The catch is they can't ever run gas, so if you want to upgrade, you're stuck. I don't see that being a problem for you because the bottle hire cost and ongoing fill costs would be prohibitive, even though for the same amount of weld, welding with gas is cheaper- if you have a small job to do you can buy a $30 roll of flux core wire, but if you are out of gas (and wire) you have to buy a roll of wre for $25 (bunnings prices)and a fill of gass for $70 from BOC then $120/year bottle hire to finish the same job.

If you are chewing 5kg spools, the cost is in favour of gas.

I still say if it can't do the job, Arc isn't cheaper
It's not cheaper if it's not being used.
It's not cheaper if you blow a hole in something important because you were using arc
It's not cheaper if you still want a mig after using it.

come up to my place and weld it yourself with my MIG - then you'd never want an arc.... it's so easy - even I can do it :oops:

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gwagensteve wrote:come up to my place and weld it yourself with my MIG - then you'd never want an arc.... it's so easy - even I can do it :oops:

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The question remains.....can Greg :?:
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So in a nutshell I can weld gasless with any mig by using flux core wire.
But a gasless can't use gas.
Cool, thanx.
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But by tasting fine corked wine I'd never be happy with beer on tap again. :mrgreen:
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Decision was taken out of my hands.
Got this nice old stick welder from a mate of Dads for zilch, including hammer and rods.
Aussie made, too, unlike most modern cheapies.
Now to just get a helmet and learn how to use it.
Does "Twin Arc" mean anything important ?
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christover1 wrote:Decision was taken out of my hands.
Does "Twin Arc" mean anything important ?
Yes it refers to the dual circuits for higher or lower current uses. :mrgreen:
I been told already.

I'm guessing "100% copper wire" is a good thing.

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Thanks to Pete, I now have a good helmet, so its time to learn how to weld.
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I was doing better welding (not good just better) on the thin 2mm stuff than the 5mm stuff, which surprised me.

So I checked out the rods packet info, they only quite thin, and the highest recommended current was 80amps.

I was set to 80 on the small stuff, but I had it on 120 for the thicker stuff.

So I'm guessing that is the reason.

I'm also guessing I may be better off with a thicker rod ( welding rod that is :roll: ) for the heavier stuff, like spring hangers to 5mm chassis?

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Yep, generally bigger rod, bigger job.

80 amps will do the business for the light stuff.

Personally, I'd just use the thinner rods and 80 amps for everything you're doing. You'd be surprised how little I adjust my Mig.

Remember you can always do multiple runs if you clean the slag out well between runs.
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